To be fair, I should say this. It appears the order has gone through. Maybe Abitha followed up on what she said she was going to do.
So sorry for this potential interruption, but sometimes when service seems unfair I feel I must do something.
So I did something and now it seems Abitha has done something and the price was the lower one offered, so fine, but I was willing to pay full price to avoid the hassle.
Anyhow - sorry for the interruption, but I do have a temper.
Don't we all get fedup sometimes?
I know I do.
but all is well when remedy happens...all is well when all ends well...
So, for safe keeping I went in there just now and verified that yes indeed the site has been continued with text and whatnot for another year and then just for safe keeping I paid $111 to reserve the domain name for an additional 3 years. The Order has been confirmed.
ps and lastly - I have more of this conversation and I have no idea how it "copied" the way it did, but I will say this. Abitha was a fairly sweet Canadian "girl" but she seemed a bit fixated on rules and whatnot. She was contained and they are trying to do this I reckon upon all Canadians assuming true to no doe remains there - you know wef debutante actor - did you know he is the spawn of Castro? Well, if not, now you do.
I sure hope I get to renew my site and truly this sort of shit happens to me all the time.
That was a ChatBot Ken certainly - I get it in UK too and never deal with these things. If they don't deal by phone, I don't deal. I bank by phone too - works fine and always use CC on the internet. Many locals I know here use bloody debit cards. No wonder there's so much hidden fraud, especially in banks although they never admit it unless forced to.
My wife's son is a top security guru and banks pay him to break their systems (aka White Hats). He says little about his work but enough to know the level of bank fraud is horrendous.
When we get to SA - we will use paper & pen mainly. It might be a war zone, but that's the benefit - nothing works. The ANC couldn't organise a piss-up in a brewery! And bonus - it's sunny!
Check this out - from the same conversation in reverse order apparently - I'm not kidding - this is too funny in a way, sort of like South Africa these days:
~~~~~
And God Bless the Maple Leaf even though the Maple Leafs are down 3-0 against the Panthers. Talk to you later (or maybe not) Abitha, but I'm glad this conversation has been recorded!
You said
I'd prefer an email indicating when I can pay and yes that is the correct site I want to renew.
I hope you have a good night's sleep - are you out of Canada?
Business said
If you permit shall I renew on my end once server is ok?
You said
Whatever - I guess I'll try again tomorrow Abitha.
Business said
I understand the situation you are in, please don't worry the issue must get solved soon.
You said
that no proof
You said
Prove it!
Business said
My name is Abitha
You said
Whew - good to know....
Business said
I am a human.
You said
I hope not
You said
I mean a bot?
You said
Are you a boty?
You said
I was joking around for eff sake....ha, ha.
Business said
Wether its recorded or no its my duty to explain you the correct situation.
You said
How the hell are you all going to stay in business when payments can't be made? That is unacceptable, but I guess I'll try again tomorrow? Is that what you suggest?
You said
And before you answer, just so you know this conversation is being recorded.
Business said
Yes every customer.
You said
So - I interpret that as you can't solve this, but let me ask this - are other customers having difficulty making payment?
Business said
I am very sorry about this, As I have checked on the server end I see there is known issue on the server end because of which payments are not going through. our engineering team is working on the issue and it must be solved soon.
You said
You must be typing a long one...
You said
I would think you already have that information and my identity ought to be confirmed by now, so truly, lets get this resolved please.
I kind of think Abitha was a human, but maybe she has been programmed? Those Canadians you know, the ones ascribe to the Castro-spawn ways of thinking, they seem to be losing their sense of "place". I give her the benefit of the doubt and maybe she will prove it to me and get my place renewed at the lower cost as she offered?
Well - the proof is in the pudding and "Abitha" came through - not arbitha I reckon.....I mean the proof is in the pudding and my site was renewed at the lower price and then for safe-keeping I reserved the "name" for another 3 years.
Now I did learn one thing besides the obvious on this "call", apparently the website mentioned when I was chatting with Abitha and her predecessor in the communication, is a "sub-domain" - that was news to me - I thought it was just its own place where I share ideas - ideas I posted first in 2007 and that is in the record I am sure.
You know - one way or the other P&S - there are some of us who just can't resist communicating with others and when you read something from me I want you to know this - there are NO strings attached.
I believe in Mutual Aid - it is an idea whose time has arrived - long overdue, but here now nonetheless because you want to know why?
There is no way in the universe to keep a good idea down. Good ideas resonate with their own frequency, but resonate they do - they are unstoppable.
I haven't posted the part where I asked "Abitha" literally...."Are you a bot"....and the response was "I am human".
So, if Abitha truly was a bot, then I think I have slam-dunk proof that I was lied to and moreover they still won't let me pay to renew my site that is in my name.
Seems like from a legal standpoint, I've got them in a bit of a quandary.....ha, ha.
But I know as well as you do - nobody cares about the "little guy"....still sometimes it is fun to prove theories and whatnot.
So I didn't get an email besides one telling me my site service is about to end and even though I've tried to pay to renew it seems they don't want what I have to offer? Anyhow, I tried again today and same message: "Sorry".
Makes one wonder - oh well, I can post my peoples proclamation material elsewhere and I reckon that is what I will do if they don't want my $ currency. Eff em I reckon and eff the credit cards as well.
For fun Ken, to supplement your experience; here's my chat with our online tech contract support: (it's a long read): (but a real guy and I was talking on the phone too). Most of it is BS but I went with it until my unexpected ending because my dad always advised: "If in doubt, have a fire". I thought I would play along anyway.
16:24 Mark B: hi
16:24 Mark B: you can type in our chat bot Peter
16:24 Peter John Underwood: OK
16:24 Mark B: Perfect
16:25 Mark B: I will now try to check if there is possible virus or malware on your computer ok
16:25 Peter John Underwood: ok
16:25 Mark B: i will highlight it so you can see it also
16:25 Peter John Underwood: fine
16:26 Mark B: while I'm trying to check the virus I will also activate your Restoro Software
16:26 Peter John Underwood: ok
16:28 Mark B: it's now activated and helping your operating system
16:28 Peter John Underwood: great
16:28 Mark B: give me one moment while I'm trying to check the root cause of the problem
16:28 Peter John Underwood: ok
16:30 Mark B: There is a lot of possible virus and malware on your computer
16:31 Peter John Underwood: i am not surprised!
16:31 Mark B: we need to have a program to fixed it as soon as possible
16:31 Peter John Underwood: ok
16:32 Mark B: before it will cause a fortune and worse might compromise even your identity
16:32 Peter John Underwood: understood
16:33 Mark B: I will try to ask for a professional advise so we can provide you option to help you with your computer
16:33 Peter John Underwood: ok
16:34 Mark B: I also checked the status of your computer and it surprised me.
It shows that the computer status is EXPOSED.
16:35 Peter John Underwood: yes, I was not too worried because I don't do anything special but I think a VPN would be a good idea
16:35 Mark B: that is right
16:36 Mark B: but with all possible malware and viruses it may transfer to one computer to another
16:36 Peter John Underwood: oh you mean my laptop?
16:37 Mark B: yes or other devices, like your phone, tablets or any devices you have
16:38 Peter John Underwood: I have none and my laptop is not connected to this PC. I keep them entirely separate.
16:39 Mark B: possible malware and viruses can be transmitted using our digital identity like our email our files or program or the connection like internet.
16:39 Peter John Underwood: Understood. I don't use email on my laptop and rely on Win 10 security. Its fine but a VPN for this would be good.
16:40 Mark B: yes that is also right . your a fast learner Peter
16:40 Mark B: My manager also tried communicating to one of the senior system engineers on the other phone from the different department of our company and she explained the situation and the problems on your computer and she was asking favor if they can help you as soon as possible because she was also worried about this.
16:41 Peter John Underwood: I am impressed !
16:41 Mark B: Because the more you let these problems sit on the computer, the more it damages your entire computer.
16:42 Peter John Underwood: understood
16:43 Mark B: I got already the response of our Senior System Engineers, Good news is They can fix it for you
16:43 Peter John Underwood: great go ahead?
16:43 Mark B: They can fix it for you remotely so you can have full visibility of what they are doing instead of taking it to a shop and leave it for couple of days.
16:44 Peter John Underwood: yes, fine
16:44 Mark B: there are 3 services you can choose from them but whichever services you choose, that would fix the problem on the computer. Let me get it for you and put it on your computer.
16:45 Peter John Underwood: ok
16:45 Mark B: I will open a notepad on your computer so you can see it also
16:47 Peter John Underwood: i need to pee - wait 2 mins
16:47 Mark B: go ahead Peter
16:48 Peter John Underwood: ok now. I can see the note pad
16:50 Mark B: perfect
16:50 Mark B: give me just 2minutes
16:50 Peter John Underwood: ok no hurry but i have to go at 1745
16:51 Mark B: I understand
16:55 Mark B: do you see the 2 programs for long term solutions Peter?
16:55 Mark B: unlimited repair means that what ever happens to your computer, you can call them and they can fix it for you without having to pay for anything.
16:56 Peter John Underwood: Yes, the PC isn't worth it! I might as well carry on as is because it's only a WP and email - so a VPN would be enough.
16:56 Mark B: I understand
16:57 Mark B: but this computer will be like a brandnew and it will last for a couple of more years and all the program have a VPN for 1 year
16:58 Mark B: and this program can be transfer over to your laptop for a complete maintance
16:58 Peter John Underwood: I ahve a backup if this fails - so no worries. i really am not worried. If you can just auto fix and offer your VPN for £13 as quoted this would be enough
16:59 Mark B: let me see what I can do ok
16:59 Peter John Underwood: ok
16:59 Peter John Underwood: ok
16:59 Peter John Underwood: I really am not interested in spending money on this thing - it's old anyway and just a workhorse
17:00 Mark B: if let say for example you will not fix this and you decided to just buy an new one, you might still acquire the suspected threat on your computer, if you are not aware on how to prevent them.
17:01 Mark B: I'm doing my best to check what we can do to save this computer Peter
17:01 Peter John Underwood: No worries. i will just put it back to my son - I have a reserve already but don't want to spend time transferring everything unless I have to. So lets jsut =go for a VPN and call it a day.
17:04 Mark B: Peter
17:04 Mark B: Good news
17:04 Mark B: there is a one time fix with 1year VPN protection
17:04 Mark B: everything will be fixed right now
17:04 Peter John Underwood: Far too much - for this old horse! I would ratehr carry on with a VPN.
17:05 Mark B: the VPN is good for a year for you with fixing the problem right now Peter , I understand that this computer is old that is why it just need to be fixed for it work like a brand new
17:06 Peter John Underwood: But I won't spend even £50 on ti - it's not worth it.
17:07 Mark B: but your indentity and your computer is worth saving . I want you to realize the value of your computer and also what you already have on this .
17:08 Mark B: the one time fix will fix everything on this computer plus a 1year VPN for your digital identity also your network connection
17:09 Peter John Underwood: I don't have anything that worries me that's secret. I work pro bono and give all my stuff away anyway. I am really not worried. If you can auto fix, fine I will buy a VPN from you as quioted.
17:10 Mark B: yes they can fixed it with VPN
17:11 Peter John Underwood: ok
17:11 Mark B: you just need to leave it on and they can fix it and you can do things you need to do and they will call you back after they fix everything and they will also install the VPN on this
17:13 Peter John Underwood: OK fine. You need to know that I am old soldier. I was trained by Xerox in the 1970-s on corporate systems and had my own comoputer company in the 80s driving laser printers at transport speed in multi format long before the others caught up. Been there done that! :-)
17:14 Mark B: I understand and I totaly respect everything you achieved also Peter, I just want you to trust the process and the program because this is for the best not only for you're computer but also for you
17:15 Peter John Underwood: Fine - I am impressed with you actions and integrity - that's good, but hard sell - no thanks. Go ahead and to the fix you poromised and I will buy your VPN.
17:17 Mark B: Peter I'm not selling but just trying to help also, the one time fixed is already included on the VPN then they will start the repair on your computer
17:18 Peter John Underwood: Fine stuff Mark.. Xerox always told us as comsultants that we weren't selling anything - we were helping people to buy - yeah but i am a consultant so i know the inside! No worries - you ahve done good and tried - which I respect you for,.
17:20 Mark B: I'm all in fixing whatever problems you have on the computer Peter and I can invite our System engineer to fix it
17:21 Mark B: they told me that the best thing they can do is 140GBP and they will start fixing it
17:21 Mark B: Peter ?
17:21 Peter John Underwood: NO
17:22 Mark B: you mean that you don't want to fix your computer ?
17:22 Peter John Underwood: no for that money - I will live with it and buy your VPN - that's all
17:24 Mark B: ok 120GBP then it can be fixed
17:26 Peter John Underwood: You don#t give up - Xerox said persitence was a key attribute! It works - it's good enough for me! I have to go soon
17:26 Mark B: because I cannot see any sense that you want to buy VPN when you also have this problem inside your computer ?
17:26 Mark B: and with all the programs the VPN your trying to get is FREE after they fixed your computer
17:27 Peter John Underwood: oh well - at least I will be in the dark in furture!
17:28 Mark B: this is what you have right now Peter and I'm offering you to fix it right now
17:29 Peter John Underwood: I ahve to go, we have an emergency - my wife set fire to something in the kitchen!!
17:29 Mark B: Ohh my ...
17:29 Mark B: go ahead Peter I understand
17:29 Peter John Underwood: disconnect and call me sometime
17:29 Mark B: be carefull and take care hope everything is ok
17:30 Mark B: yes I will
17:30 Mark B: thank you Peter
17:30 Mark B: restart your pc Peter now
17:30 Mark B: i will disconnect now
17:31 Mark B has ended the session.
A sort of lesson, Ken in the old selling game which I am sure you know all about. i knew all along but thought I would have some fun anyway!
Lastly and not kidding around, a few weeks ago my wife left the stove on and a safety glove for picking up hot dishes was close to the edge of the burner and it became aflamed......lucky for my wife I was on the premises and I found it and I put the fire out - AI bots are stupid is what I think!
If any robot dog ever comes to my premise, I will effing own that dog after the dust settles.
I think politeness and etiquette is important and I appreciate what the Brits bring to the table in that regard, but otherwise, the Brits have proven themselves unreliable, untrustworthy, and to be dismissed on the local level.
Still, I prefer polite discourse and I appreciate it, but if you get yourself in a barroom brawl, sweet talk doesn't amount to much.
Agreed, Ken, and I have been there - I was a ruffian in my youth and didn't really settle down until I married in late 1968 aged 25. The Brits have let the world down and I am ashamed of the way they have deteriorated in all respects. There was a time in the City when "my word is my bond" - we're in a new abnormal now.
I have a simple philosophy. Shoot a point, point blank, unsubtle, simple. You can get further with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone.
It served me well in SA for 10 years and I'm going back to the war zone next year!
VPN's are overrated. This conversation Peter you want my humble opinion was a waste of time. On my end however, I still cannot renew my site - with links mentioned and presented elsewhere. So - get a copy while the getting is good I reckon.
The "heart" of the People's Proclamation was formed in the late 1800's by Kropotkin and other like him I reckon, but the document itself came from my heart and I put it out there with no strings attached. Seems a shame I can't renew it, but no worries - once an idea is out it is out for heaven's sake. Then if it resonates it does and if it don't then it don't. No stifling can keep a good idea down.
I'll read it and let you know my thoughts - time stamps would have been helpful in my conversation and truly I don't know why it was presented in reverse order - I just cut & paste it after I told them - this conversation is being recorded!
To be fair, I should say this. It appears the order has gone through. Maybe Abitha followed up on what she said she was going to do.
So sorry for this potential interruption, but sometimes when service seems unfair I feel I must do something.
So I did something and now it seems Abitha has done something and the price was the lower one offered, so fine, but I was willing to pay full price to avoid the hassle.
Anyhow - sorry for the interruption, but I do have a temper.
Don't we all get fedup sometimes?
I know I do.
but all is well when remedy happens...all is well when all ends well...
See you tomorrow and sorry for the interruption.
Seriously. I play win and so should you.
So, for safe keeping I went in there just now and verified that yes indeed the site has been continued with text and whatnot for another year and then just for safe keeping I paid $111 to reserve the domain name for an additional 3 years. The Order has been confirmed.
ps and lastly - I have more of this conversation and I have no idea how it "copied" the way it did, but I will say this. Abitha was a fairly sweet Canadian "girl" but she seemed a bit fixated on rules and whatnot. She was contained and they are trying to do this I reckon upon all Canadians assuming true to no doe remains there - you know wef debutante actor - did you know he is the spawn of Castro? Well, if not, now you do.
I sure hope I get to renew my site and truly this sort of shit happens to me all the time.
What about you?
That was a ChatBot Ken certainly - I get it in UK too and never deal with these things. If they don't deal by phone, I don't deal. I bank by phone too - works fine and always use CC on the internet. Many locals I know here use bloody debit cards. No wonder there's so much hidden fraud, especially in banks although they never admit it unless forced to.
My wife's son is a top security guru and banks pay him to break their systems (aka White Hats). He says little about his work but enough to know the level of bank fraud is horrendous.
When we get to SA - we will use paper & pen mainly. It might be a war zone, but that's the benefit - nothing works. The ANC couldn't organise a piss-up in a brewery! And bonus - it's sunny!
Check this out - from the same conversation in reverse order apparently - I'm not kidding - this is too funny in a way, sort of like South Africa these days:
~~~~~
And God Bless the Maple Leaf even though the Maple Leafs are down 3-0 against the Panthers. Talk to you later (or maybe not) Abitha, but I'm glad this conversation has been recorded!
You said
I'd prefer an email indicating when I can pay and yes that is the correct site I want to renew.
Business said
Yes out of canada.
Business said
Is it for peoplesproclamation.com?
You said
I hope you have a good night's sleep - are you out of Canada?
Business said
If you permit shall I renew on my end once server is ok?
You said
Whatever - I guess I'll try again tomorrow Abitha.
Business said
I understand the situation you are in, please don't worry the issue must get solved soon.
You said
that no proof
You said
Prove it!
Business said
My name is Abitha
You said
Whew - good to know....
Business said
I am a human.
You said
I hope not
You said
I mean a bot?
You said
Are you a boty?
You said
I was joking around for eff sake....ha, ha.
Business said
Wether its recorded or no its my duty to explain you the correct situation.
You said
How the hell are you all going to stay in business when payments can't be made? That is unacceptable, but I guess I'll try again tomorrow? Is that what you suggest?
You said
And before you answer, just so you know this conversation is being recorded.
Business said
Yes every customer.
You said
So - I interpret that as you can't solve this, but let me ask this - are other customers having difficulty making payment?
Business said
I am very sorry about this, As I have checked on the server end I see there is known issue on the server end because of which payments are not going through. our engineering team is working on the issue and it must be solved soon.
You said
You must be typing a long one...
You said
I would think you already have that information and my identity ought to be confirmed by now, so truly, lets get this resolved please.
LOL - great stuff Ken, you and I share a similar sense of humour it seems! WE could even make a game out of it: "Bot or Not" - $5 to try your wits?
I kind of think Abitha was a human, but maybe she has been programmed? Those Canadians you know, the ones ascribe to the Castro-spawn ways of thinking, they seem to be losing their sense of "place". I give her the benefit of the doubt and maybe she will prove it to me and get my place renewed at the lower cost as she offered?
what you think the chance of that is P&S?
ha, ha.
Best to you,
Ken
Slim to none I would guess Ken. "Arbitha" - 'Automatic Response Bot In The Happy Algorithm' maybe?
I keep an eye on Canada, they are leading so far: https://capforcanada.com/globalist-agenda-phase-two-trudeau-creates-social-chaos-in-canada/
Well - the proof is in the pudding and "Abitha" came through - not arbitha I reckon.....I mean the proof is in the pudding and my site was renewed at the lower price and then for safe-keeping I reserved the "name" for another 3 years.
Now I did learn one thing besides the obvious on this "call", apparently the website mentioned when I was chatting with Abitha and her predecessor in the communication, is a "sub-domain" - that was news to me - I thought it was just its own place where I share ideas - ideas I posted first in 2007 and that is in the record I am sure.
You know - one way or the other P&S - there are some of us who just can't resist communicating with others and when you read something from me I want you to know this - there are NO strings attached.
I believe in Mutual Aid - it is an idea whose time has arrived - long overdue, but here now nonetheless because you want to know why?
There is no way in the universe to keep a good idea down. Good ideas resonate with their own frequency, but resonate they do - they are unstoppable.
Ken
I haven't posted the part where I asked "Abitha" literally...."Are you a bot"....and the response was "I am human".
So, if Abitha truly was a bot, then I think I have slam-dunk proof that I was lied to and moreover they still won't let me pay to renew my site that is in my name.
Seems like from a legal standpoint, I've got them in a bit of a quandary.....ha, ha.
But I know as well as you do - nobody cares about the "little guy"....still sometimes it is fun to prove theories and whatnot.
I've posted that part now and I have more. Abitha said she was a human, but she did not prove it.
At the end of the day: face-to-face is best.
Not kidding around
Yes Ken - it's important to call them out and easy to spot as you did.
It is only easy to "spot" if you know it is out there in the first place, but once you know that, then spotting it becomes second hand.
So I didn't get an email besides one telling me my site service is about to end and even though I've tried to pay to renew it seems they don't want what I have to offer? Anyhow, I tried again today and same message: "Sorry".
Makes one wonder - oh well, I can post my peoples proclamation material elsewhere and I reckon that is what I will do if they don't want my $ currency. Eff em I reckon and eff the credit cards as well.
Here: http://www.peoplesproclamation.com/
For fun Ken, to supplement your experience; here's my chat with our online tech contract support: (it's a long read): (but a real guy and I was talking on the phone too). Most of it is BS but I went with it until my unexpected ending because my dad always advised: "If in doubt, have a fire". I thought I would play along anyway.
16:24 Mark B: hi
16:24 Mark B: you can type in our chat bot Peter
16:24 Peter John Underwood: OK
16:24 Mark B: Perfect
16:25 Mark B: I will now try to check if there is possible virus or malware on your computer ok
16:25 Peter John Underwood: ok
16:25 Mark B: i will highlight it so you can see it also
16:25 Peter John Underwood: fine
16:26 Mark B: while I'm trying to check the virus I will also activate your Restoro Software
16:26 Peter John Underwood: ok
16:28 Mark B: it's now activated and helping your operating system
16:28 Peter John Underwood: great
16:28 Mark B: give me one moment while I'm trying to check the root cause of the problem
16:28 Peter John Underwood: ok
16:30 Mark B: There is a lot of possible virus and malware on your computer
16:31 Peter John Underwood: i am not surprised!
16:31 Mark B: we need to have a program to fixed it as soon as possible
16:31 Peter John Underwood: ok
16:32 Mark B: before it will cause a fortune and worse might compromise even your identity
16:32 Peter John Underwood: understood
16:33 Mark B: I will try to ask for a professional advise so we can provide you option to help you with your computer
16:33 Peter John Underwood: ok
16:34 Mark B: I also checked the status of your computer and it surprised me.
It shows that the computer status is EXPOSED.
16:35 Peter John Underwood: yes, I was not too worried because I don't do anything special but I think a VPN would be a good idea
16:35 Mark B: that is right
16:36 Mark B: but with all possible malware and viruses it may transfer to one computer to another
16:36 Peter John Underwood: oh you mean my laptop?
16:37 Mark B: yes or other devices, like your phone, tablets or any devices you have
16:38 Peter John Underwood: I have none and my laptop is not connected to this PC. I keep them entirely separate.
16:39 Mark B: possible malware and viruses can be transmitted using our digital identity like our email our files or program or the connection like internet.
16:39 Peter John Underwood: Understood. I don't use email on my laptop and rely on Win 10 security. Its fine but a VPN for this would be good.
16:40 Mark B: yes that is also right . your a fast learner Peter
16:40 Mark B: My manager also tried communicating to one of the senior system engineers on the other phone from the different department of our company and she explained the situation and the problems on your computer and she was asking favor if they can help you as soon as possible because she was also worried about this.
16:41 Peter John Underwood: I am impressed !
16:41 Mark B: Because the more you let these problems sit on the computer, the more it damages your entire computer.
16:42 Peter John Underwood: understood
16:43 Mark B: I got already the response of our Senior System Engineers, Good news is They can fix it for you
16:43 Peter John Underwood: great go ahead?
16:43 Mark B: They can fix it for you remotely so you can have full visibility of what they are doing instead of taking it to a shop and leave it for couple of days.
16:44 Peter John Underwood: yes, fine
16:44 Mark B: there are 3 services you can choose from them but whichever services you choose, that would fix the problem on the computer. Let me get it for you and put it on your computer.
16:45 Peter John Underwood: ok
16:45 Mark B: I will open a notepad on your computer so you can see it also
16:47 Peter John Underwood: i need to pee - wait 2 mins
16:47 Mark B: go ahead Peter
16:48 Peter John Underwood: ok now. I can see the note pad
16:50 Mark B: perfect
16:50 Mark B: give me just 2minutes
16:50 Peter John Underwood: ok no hurry but i have to go at 1745
16:51 Mark B: I understand
16:55 Mark B: do you see the 2 programs for long term solutions Peter?
16:55 Mark B: unlimited repair means that what ever happens to your computer, you can call them and they can fix it for you without having to pay for anything.
16:56 Peter John Underwood: Yes, the PC isn't worth it! I might as well carry on as is because it's only a WP and email - so a VPN would be enough.
16:56 Mark B: I understand
16:57 Mark B: but this computer will be like a brandnew and it will last for a couple of more years and all the program have a VPN for 1 year
16:58 Mark B: and this program can be transfer over to your laptop for a complete maintance
16:58 Peter John Underwood: I ahve a backup if this fails - so no worries. i really am not worried. If you can just auto fix and offer your VPN for £13 as quoted this would be enough
16:59 Mark B: let me see what I can do ok
16:59 Peter John Underwood: ok
16:59 Peter John Underwood: ok
16:59 Peter John Underwood: I really am not interested in spending money on this thing - it's old anyway and just a workhorse
17:00 Mark B: if let say for example you will not fix this and you decided to just buy an new one, you might still acquire the suspected threat on your computer, if you are not aware on how to prevent them.
17:01 Mark B: I'm doing my best to check what we can do to save this computer Peter
17:01 Peter John Underwood: No worries. i will just put it back to my son - I have a reserve already but don't want to spend time transferring everything unless I have to. So lets jsut =go for a VPN and call it a day.
17:04 Mark B: Peter
17:04 Mark B: Good news
17:04 Mark B: there is a one time fix with 1year VPN protection
17:04 Mark B: everything will be fixed right now
17:04 Peter John Underwood: Far too much - for this old horse! I would ratehr carry on with a VPN.
17:05 Mark B: the VPN is good for a year for you with fixing the problem right now Peter , I understand that this computer is old that is why it just need to be fixed for it work like a brand new
17:06 Peter John Underwood: But I won't spend even £50 on ti - it's not worth it.
17:07 Mark B: but your indentity and your computer is worth saving . I want you to realize the value of your computer and also what you already have on this .
17:08 Mark B: the one time fix will fix everything on this computer plus a 1year VPN for your digital identity also your network connection
17:09 Peter John Underwood: I don't have anything that worries me that's secret. I work pro bono and give all my stuff away anyway. I am really not worried. If you can auto fix, fine I will buy a VPN from you as quioted.
17:10 Mark B: yes they can fixed it with VPN
17:11 Peter John Underwood: ok
17:11 Mark B: you just need to leave it on and they can fix it and you can do things you need to do and they will call you back after they fix everything and they will also install the VPN on this
17:13 Peter John Underwood: OK fine. You need to know that I am old soldier. I was trained by Xerox in the 1970-s on corporate systems and had my own comoputer company in the 80s driving laser printers at transport speed in multi format long before the others caught up. Been there done that! :-)
17:14 Mark B: I understand and I totaly respect everything you achieved also Peter, I just want you to trust the process and the program because this is for the best not only for you're computer but also for you
17:15 Peter John Underwood: Fine - I am impressed with you actions and integrity - that's good, but hard sell - no thanks. Go ahead and to the fix you poromised and I will buy your VPN.
17:17 Mark B: Peter I'm not selling but just trying to help also, the one time fixed is already included on the VPN then they will start the repair on your computer
17:18 Peter John Underwood: Fine stuff Mark.. Xerox always told us as comsultants that we weren't selling anything - we were helping people to buy - yeah but i am a consultant so i know the inside! No worries - you ahve done good and tried - which I respect you for,.
17:20 Mark B: I'm all in fixing whatever problems you have on the computer Peter and I can invite our System engineer to fix it
17:21 Mark B: they told me that the best thing they can do is 140GBP and they will start fixing it
17:21 Mark B: Peter ?
17:21 Peter John Underwood: NO
17:22 Mark B: you mean that you don't want to fix your computer ?
17:22 Peter John Underwood: no for that money - I will live with it and buy your VPN - that's all
17:24 Mark B: ok 120GBP then it can be fixed
17:26 Peter John Underwood: You don#t give up - Xerox said persitence was a key attribute! It works - it's good enough for me! I have to go soon
17:26 Mark B: because I cannot see any sense that you want to buy VPN when you also have this problem inside your computer ?
17:26 Mark B: and with all the programs the VPN your trying to get is FREE after they fixed your computer
17:27 Peter John Underwood: oh well - at least I will be in the dark in furture!
17:28 Mark B: this is what you have right now Peter and I'm offering you to fix it right now
17:29 Peter John Underwood: I ahve to go, we have an emergency - my wife set fire to something in the kitchen!!
17:29 Mark B: Ohh my ...
17:29 Mark B: go ahead Peter I understand
17:29 Peter John Underwood: disconnect and call me sometime
17:29 Mark B: be carefull and take care hope everything is ok
17:30 Mark B: yes I will
17:30 Mark B: thank you Peter
17:30 Mark B: restart your pc Peter now
17:30 Mark B: i will disconnect now
17:31 Mark B has ended the session.
A sort of lesson, Ken in the old selling game which I am sure you know all about. i knew all along but thought I would have some fun anyway!
Lastly and not kidding around, a few weeks ago my wife left the stove on and a safety glove for picking up hot dishes was close to the edge of the burner and it became aflamed......lucky for my wife I was on the premises and I found it and I put the fire out - AI bots are stupid is what I think!
If any robot dog ever comes to my premise, I will effing own that dog after the dust settles.
Do you want to bet on it?
No way my friend - I too would blow it's head off with my trusty 12 bore!
It's 2130 here now - so I'm off for supper. Chat tomorrow good buddy.
OK - I've read a bit and "John Underwood" seems to be a most agreeable fella - that ain't how I talk to the bots, but whatever.
I was taught that in Britain politeness costs nothing - but that was long ago - things have changed and not for the better.
I think politeness and etiquette is important and I appreciate what the Brits bring to the table in that regard, but otherwise, the Brits have proven themselves unreliable, untrustworthy, and to be dismissed on the local level.
Still, I prefer polite discourse and I appreciate it, but if you get yourself in a barroom brawl, sweet talk doesn't amount to much.
Agreed, Ken, and I have been there - I was a ruffian in my youth and didn't really settle down until I married in late 1968 aged 25. The Brits have let the world down and I am ashamed of the way they have deteriorated in all respects. There was a time in the City when "my word is my bond" - we're in a new abnormal now.
I have a simple philosophy. Shoot a point, point blank, unsubtle, simple. You can get further with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone.
It served me well in SA for 10 years and I'm going back to the war zone next year!
VPN's are overrated. This conversation Peter you want my humble opinion was a waste of time. On my end however, I still cannot renew my site - with links mentioned and presented elsewhere. So - get a copy while the getting is good I reckon.
The "heart" of the People's Proclamation was formed in the late 1800's by Kropotkin and other like him I reckon, but the document itself came from my heart and I put it out there with no strings attached. Seems a shame I can't renew it, but no worries - once an idea is out it is out for heaven's sake. Then if it resonates it does and if it don't then it don't. No stifling can keep a good idea down.
I'll read it and let you know my thoughts - time stamps would have been helpful in my conversation and truly I don't know why it was presented in reverse order - I just cut & paste it after I told them - this conversation is being recorded!
Ha, ha.
Ken